Question please ???
If the SAINTS are the BRIDE, and Jesus is the BRIDEGROOM,,,
when did the BRIDE, take on the BRIDEGROOMS NAME ???
The only place we found was, when everyone got baptized in the name of the bridegroom,Jesus Christ,, or when
all 3000 were baptized in Acts 2:38, in the bridegroom' name Jesus Christ,,,:
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OvadYah responds
Dear Ted,
You are making one basic mistake which flaws your whole presentation, i.e. The True Bridegroom is NOT 'Jesus', but YAHSHUA.
So, my question to you is: Which Name must the Bride be called after?
Messiah YAHSHUA was an orthodox Jew - Jezus is NOT a Jewish Name.
This Marriage which is referred to even in Genesis, will be a Jewish Marriage, a Torah Marriage, as it was at Sinai, when the receiving of Torah was referred to as the Marriage. Jesus believers are neither Torah based nor Torah observant, and Jesus himself, according to his followers, is NOT Torah observant - thus the marriage between Jesus and his bride will NOT be a Torah Marriage or not even a Jewish marriage.
Imagine the staggering implications in a Jewish Marriage, when the couple has to be flawlessly kosher as to their Jewish Identity, else no Jewish marriage can take place! Which is why many Israeli couples run to Cyprus island to have a Greek, Christian marriage
Imagine, the bride has given her consent to marriage and eagerly looks forward to it, but -:
- the Bride has the wrong name of the bridegroom - NO MARRIAGE - not even a Gentile marriage!
- the Bridegroom's ID reflects another name than that which the Bride knows and calls him by, NO MARRIAGE - not even a Gentile marriage.
- The bridegroom rejects Halachic Torah in principle, as Jesus is claimed to do - NO JEWISH MARRIAGE!
- The bridegroom rejects the authority of the Sanhedrien, as Jesus is claimed to be doing - NO JEWISH MARRIAGE!
- The bride rejects Torah and Jewish culture - NO JEWISH MARRIAGE!
Just as there are TWO Messiahs presented to choose between: A Gentile, non-Torah, anti-Jewish Messiah and a Halachic Torah proclaiming Jewish Messiah, so then there are two Marriages presented, to choose between: A Gentile Marriage and a Jewish Marriage.
If we claim to be the Bride, then it would be wise, beforehand, to decide which Bride we wish to be and which Bridegroom we wish to be married to:
- the Bride of a Gentile non-Biblical conforming Messiah named "Jesus", or
- the Bride of the Biblically proclaimed Jewish Messiah named "Yahshua"
It would be a tearful day to arrive at the wrong Marriage! Or to arrive with the wrong 'papers'. This will be particularly tearful for those professing brides who are somewhere in-between these two categories - those who have turned to Torah and Jewish culture, but have the wrong identity details for their Bridegroom. Those who refuse to know Him by His True Name, and who oppose parts of His Torah which they regard as 'man-made', because His appointed 'Judges' (rulers, interpreters, teachers) have stipulated it.
If the Gentile Bride wishes to be His True, respected Bride, she will have to adapt His Jewish Culture FAST! - for Time is running out!
OnenessSaint responds:
Now that we have established that the TRUE name of the bridegroom is Yahshua; we MUST take HIS name! We take His name by being immersed in the name of the Father, Son and Ruach HaKadosh - Yahshua HaMashiach!
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Was Jeremiah mistaken when he said Yahweh was going to make a new covenant with the house of Judah and with the house of Israel?
1.I will put an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel (1:4).
2.You are not My people and I am not your God (1:9).
My God will cast them away because they have not listened to Him; and they will be WANDERERS AMONG THE NATIONS (Hosea 9:17).
Israel is swallowed up; THEY ARE NOW AMONG THE NATIONS like a vessel in which no one delights (Hosea 8:8)
Ephraim mixes himself with the nations (Hosea 7:8).
And the remnant of Jacob will be among many peoples like dew from the Lord... And the remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, among many peoples... (Micah 5:7-8).
Yet the number of the sons of Israel will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered (Hosea 1:10).
The Almighty Remembers
And it will come about in that day, that you [Ephraim] will call Me Ishi [Husband] and will no longer call Me Baali [Owner] (Hosea 2:16).
And I will betroth you to me FOREVER. Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in loving-kindness and in compassion, And I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the Lord (Hosea 2:19-20).
And it shall be that in that place where it was said to them, "You are not My people," There you shall be called the sons of the living God (Hosea 1:10).
And the remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, among many peoples... (Micah 5:8).
A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob (the lost tribes), to the mighty God. For though your people, O ISRAEL, may be like the sand of the sea, only a remnant will return (Isaiah 10:22).
Behold I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand (Ezekiel 37:19).
Behold I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; And I will make them ONE NATION in the land, on the mountain of Israel... (Ezekiel 37:21).
And you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel. And it will come about in that day that a great trumpet will be blown; and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem (Isaiah 27:12-13).
For I will bend JUDAH as My bow, I will fill the bow with EPHRAIM. And I will stir up your sons O Zion, against your sons O Greece; And I will make you like a warrior's sword (Zechariah 9:13).
For the Lord of hosts has visited His flock, the house of JUDAH, and will make them like His majestic horse in battle. And EPHRAIM will be like a mighty man (Zechariah 10:3,7).
And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and He will assemble the banished ones of ISRAEL, and will gather the dispersed of JUDAH from the four corners of the earth... And they will swoop down on the slopes of the Philistines on the west; TOGETHER they will plunder the sons of the east; they will possess Edom and Moab; and the sons of Ammon will be subject to them (Isaiah 11:12,14).
And the remnant of Jacob will be among the nations, among many peoples like a lion among the beasts of the forest, like a young lion among flocks of sheep, which, if he passes through, tramples down and tears, and there is none to rescue (Micah 5:8).
I will call those who were not My People, My people ( Hosea 2:23).
At first glance it seems Paul was saying that ANY non-Jew could become one of God's people. Knowing, however, that he was quoting a promise Hosea gave to the house of Israel (Ephriam) gives his words a different slant.
And it shall be that IN THAT PLACE where it was said to them, "You are not My people," There you shall be called the sons of the living God (Romans 9:26 and Hosea 1:10).
What place did Hosea refer to? "In that place" had to be the locale of the Northern Kingdom. That is where God told Ephraim they were not His people, just before they were sown among the nations. According to Hosea, in that very place, the descendants of Ephraim would once more be called the sons of the living God.
Hosea said they would be "wanderers among the nations" (see Hosea 7:8, 8:8, 9:17). Micah also said the remnant of Jacob would be "among many peoples" (Micah 5:7-8).
In Genesis, any descendant of Abraham who was not circumcised was cut off from his people because he broke God's covenant. (See Genesis 17:14). My friend, don't forget why the Northern Tribes were carried away into Assyria. It was for breaking the Sinai covenant! Is it realistic to expect that they would nevertheless keep the covenant of circumcision, especially after God told them they were no longer His people? Why, even Moses, after being separated only 40 years, failed to circumcise his sons (and was nearly killed for it). (See Exodus 4:24-26).
It is interesting that those in UK ,USA and Camada are circumcised at birth.
One final point should be made. While the New Covenant was directed toward Jacob's descendants, that doesn't mean God can't make exceptions. Rahab, Ruth and Moses' father-in-law, Jethro, are examples who come to mind. God appears to have "grafted" these into the promises of Israel, and I fully expect He has done it for others. Moreover, Isaiah wrote that the Egyptians will come to know the Lord in the last days (Isaiah 19:21, 25).
However, the promises given to the 12 tribes of Israel , not Gentiles. The promise was to call back Ephraim not non-Israelites.
Many tried to change Yeshua words and change Bible teaching to bend to their religions.
To the Torah and to the testimony ,the God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob keeps His promises.
Praise Yahweh and give thanks to Yahshua
Bob
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